Over a 40-minute chat and Q&A the two musicians covered a variety of subjects, including whether songwriting was analogous to dreams, the appeal of unreliable narrators, how to deal with fame, Cale's relationship with punk, and whether he really once attacked Brian Eno with chopsticks.

"It was a little bit thrilling, a little bit intimidating, to talk to John Cale," Furman told us. "That's somebody I've been listening to and talking about since I was a teenager. I had never met him before. I met him about 90 seconds before we went on stage and had a conversation about songwriting and stuff. I loved it. It was already clear to me that he's has a fascinating mind, but it came out in conversation. I feel like we just scratched the surface with what he said. Maybe we could uncover more if we kept scratching."

End of the Road 2019 runs from 29 August to 1 September, with first lineup announcements coming soon. Find out more at endoftheroadfestival.com.